Jolla, Part 2…

Dear Jolla,

Thank you for your response to our Open Letter. As you can see from the community conversation regarding your response — here, as well as various social media circles — most of our members want more. The Hildon Foundation appreciate the invitation to become “true pioneers,” but in all honesty, the Maemo community has been a true pioneer for many years now as a unique open source initiative combining developers and users with a community repository of applications and platform components.

This being said, we understand that Jolla is a future that we would like to help make successful if possible. Currently, neither Jolla nor any Jolla affiliates affiliates (Mer, Nemo, Sailfish OS, etc.) have any sort of “community,” user base, or public space for communication to speak of. These assets can be extended if, for example, you are interested in a community repository, cross-platform development, or helping developers migrate to Sailfish. We had already intended to provide a public space for Jolla/Nemo/Sailfish and will continue to do so regardless. Would Jolla like to help with any of these efforts that will benefit Jolla?

We thank you for indicating on our website that Jolla agrees to support a Sailfish on N900 project. Of course, our community contains the world’s most knowledgeable developers on the N900 device. We would promote and host the project in a variety of ways to leverage our existing expertise and bring in new participants.

What type of support and/or cooperation does Jolla envision providing?

Thank you,
The Hildon Foundation

13 Responses so far.

  1. Jeff says:

    Any reason my BoD’s “main interest/focus” seems to be coercing Sailfish(Jolla) to focus on supporting sailfish for N900?
    Old guard trying to support their precious & only their precious, yet again?

    • Rob says:

      Jeff,

      The project was proposed by a community member rather than the BoD –

      http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1312055&postcount=15

      Since the project was the only hint of cooperation that we received from Jolla, we continued the discussion on that point. But the communication process is open and anyone is able to suggest any area for cooperation. If you have another project to suggest, then please do so.

      Also, the process is not complete yet. So feel free to make constructive comments on what you think the BoD should be interested in and focused on with Jolla, and why. You may also want to be more precise in your concerns about a Sailfish on N900 project. Our email is board@hildonfoundation.org

      My personal feeling is that as a non-profit organization operating for the greater good, Hildon should be pushing for things that for-profit companies typically find themselves constrained on, like openness. The N900 was a big step forward for openness in mobile devices.

      • Jeff says:

        Yes I saw that post, & at the time I thought it was totally inappropriate, never in widest dreams did I imagine he’d get his way.

        Jolla & Sailfish partners need to focus their tiny resources towards delivering “their” devices & getting them to devs ASAP, not giving hand jobs to the maemo/meego community’s “fearless leaders”.

        If they’re placing considerable resources toward delivering a solid experience for N9 & now N900, that’s way less resources towards focusing on more important stuff.
        N9/950 was already becoming too much, N900 just tips that right over the edge!

        The way some members of the Council & BoD have worded things, they’ve basically blackmailed Sailfish(Jolla) into including N900 “or else” they won’t have a community.
        That is a patent lie, many in the community are happy to contribute, with or without N9/N900 support.

        I find it odd how for some Council members, the 1st thing that was most important “for the community”, was convincing Sailfish(Jolla) to use their resource towards supporting N900, very odd.

        • joerg_rw says:

          Jeff,
          I’m seriously shocked by your interpretation of my post at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1312055#post1312055.
          It’s for sure not meant to blackmail anybody, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1312268#post1312268

          My suggestion to Jolla about N900 was just that: “A suggestion […] to instantly win the maximum possible attention and excitement in whole maemo community”. How you could make that into any blackmail is beyond me. I didn’t mean to say that otherwise the community was not interested in sailfish.

          BTW Jolla is an autonomous business entity that will not need your or my concerns about them putting their resources into the wrong thing or what “Jolla & Sailfish partners need to focus their tiny resources towards”, I guess they are pretty capable of taking care about their own best interests regarding that. Nevertheless a sidenote: Jolla stated that they basically could port sailfish to arbitrary new hw platforms from evening to next morning. So it shouldn’t need too many resources to kick off any such project like “sailfish on N900″, and of course any dedicated community member could do the same “on behalf of Jolla”.

          The most strange to me are your comments about N950, since Jolla – for all I know – used exactly those devices to demonstrate sailfish. In that context your critics against council are odd, very odd. And I hope Jolla won’t wonder whether maybe they got my post wrong and your way to read it was more correct. It isn’t.

          One last clarification: neither council nor HF board are about leadership or steering of the maemo community. It’s the community to decide, by their actions and contributions. Council is about facilitating things and represent the community, not about “leaders”.

          sincerely
          jOERG (maemo councilor)

      • Jeff says:

        Yes I saw that post, & at the time I thought it was totally inappropriate, never in my wildest dreams did I imagine he’d get his way.

        Jolla & Sailfish partners need to focus their tiny resources towards delivering “their” devices & getting them to devs ASAP, not giving hand jobs to the maemo/meego community’s “fearless leaders”.

        If they’re placing considerable resources toward delivering a solid experience for N9 & now N900, that’s way less resources towards focusing on more important stuff.
        N9/950 was already becoming too much, N900 just tips that right over the edge!

        The way some members of the Council/BoD have worded things, they’ve basically blackmailed Sailfish(Jolla) into including N900 “or else” they won’t have a community.
        That is a patent lie, many in the community are happy to contribute, with or without solid Sailfish support for N9/N900.

        I find it odd how for some Council members, the 1st thing that was most important “for the community”, was convincing Sailfish(Jolla) to use their resource towards supporting N900, very odd.

        • Rob says:

          It works both ways. Hildon Foundation has limited resources too. It is entitled to spend its resources in a way that promotes its mission of open source maemo derived software. So no, the Foundation doesn’t have to passively do nothing, and can explore if and how Jolla interest’s coincide with its own.

          And, again, AFAIK the Sailfish on N900 project was proposed by one individual (not by Council or BoD) and Jolla voluntarily responded to it. But the N9 did not advance openness compared to the N900 and some would say it was a regression in terms of openness. So a Sailfish on N900 project undoubtedly furthers the Foundation’s mission. It remains to be seen what resources will actually be applied to it.

          If Jolla does come up with a new device that advances openness, then that would surely be helpful for the Foundation to know and it would most likely agree to do something like distribute devices to developers as you suggest but Jolla has not yet indicated an interest in doing a developer device program with us.

  2. Larswad says:

    Good response, it is indeed pinpointing what makes the Hildon and Maemo community stand out from other parties. The community repository with extremely competent developers strongly devoted to the platform is something that Jolla really should consider embracing to the fullest.

    It is a indeed cheap investment for Jolla, bringing a lot of gain to their ecosystem. By this time, they should be aware of all the fantastic stuff that has been achieved by the community with very little support from Nokia.
    Just look at the usb hostmode, nitdroid, cssu, power kernel, the enhanced busy box and the bunchload of competent applications written for the Nx00 and the N9.
    Jolla and the Hildon Foundation are two of a kind really.

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